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Started by Bill Gosling. Last reply by ed parent Aug 11, 2010.
Started by Rob Stephen Jun 13, 2008.
Hi, Not sure how to email you. More pictures of the cards are at http://www.collect.org.uk/cards/ but I can email you some better pics of individual cards if you would like. They are not all the same size - and I am fairly sure they are hand drawn.
I wondered if any of your card experts could help with identifying a pack I bought the other day. Some look to be copies of Frommann and Bunte cards, they are on card and I think hand drawn. I know they came from an aristocratic family and are old, so not a modern copy.
Rather than fill up your space on this forum I have put other pictures of the pack at Collect Old Cards (if this works)
I am not interested in what they are worth, as I presume not much as I think they are hand drawn and not prints, however if anyone can put a date to them or draw some light on them I would appreciate it. I also thought you might like to see them as I cannot find pictures of the king queen jack of these on other sites.
The playing card world has never been so strong.I personally feel that the economy has not slowed down the growth and collectors are seeking more and more to satisfy there hunger for that one transformation, that one LeNormand fortune telling deck, that single historic deck seeking value through symbolism that seems to inspire the newest and most mature collectors abroad.There are no excuses or ego's, just rely on those great artifacts that just sell themselves.I have been questioned before by others about values,but who can complain about 5,000,000,000 souls who need to buy something,so the truth is any deck,any card can bring in any amount as each art piece,are priceless to those who can afford its history.
Do you guys know how much a Frommann & Bunte transformation deck goes for? How about a Vanity Fair pack?
What do you guys think this is worth? It is supposed to be for the game of faro, but I don't see why it would be specifically for that game and not just poker. Is there a way to figure out how old the chips are? Thanks.
Karim, in further response to your question on the transformation pack of playing cards you noted that recently sold on eBay, with my book in hand, Albert Field's Transformation Playing Cards, I have identified it using the images in the eBay display. It is as folows:
Field lists the packs in chronological order numbering each one in his book. This item is #35, produced by Frommann & Bunte in Darmstadt, Germany in 1870. Ten of the designs are original to this firm, 19 were taken from Braun & Schneider, and the rest, especially the court figures from Grimaud's (Paris) Jeanne l'Hachette (Field #44). Three different editions of the pack were produced by this firm, and one would need to have the cards in hand to identify which one, as details in some of the cards varied, such as the inclusion or omission of publisher's initials, etc. These cannot be identifed in the eBay images.
So I would say the purchaser got a good deal on this deck for the price noted in eBay. If a playing card dealer had this to offer, I suspect it would have been much more. Again, condition, having the originla box, etc. all influence value.
Hope this is helpful. Bill Gosling
Without more information, it is difficult to assess value. I have a book on Transformation Playing Cards but at the moment it is part of a playing card exhibit I have out at the local Library. I'll check further when the exhibit comes down the end of this month.
In Jean Darquenne's Cartorama catalog, a German card dealer, he lists an 1807 J.G. Cotta almanac deck for $3,120 US asking price. The U.S. Playing Card Company issued Hustling Joe trransformation decks in 1895 and the Dawson/Hochman price list for excellent to mint ranges from $750 to $1,000. So this probably was a good price, given how seldom you see these older decks if original. As from the above examples above, condition, completeness and age are all factors that impact potential price.
More when I get my transformation cards book back and can identify this particular deck hopefully.
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